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Martin B.
No surprise: "Why women leave academia and why universities should be worried" /via @Nuria83 guardian.co.uk/higher-educati…
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Ludmila Carone
@gedankenabfall @Nuria83 Not really, now what? Universities 'need' to worry? Universities can do nothing if funding is plummeting.
@gedankenabfall @Nuria83 Not really, now what? Universities 'need' to worry? Universities can do nothing if funding is plummeting.
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Martin B.
@Exotides This is an old story: in the university ecosystem certain types of persons survive better than others, it’s not fair @Nuria83
@Exotides This is an old story: in the university ecosystem certain types of persons survive better than others, it’s not fair @Nuria83
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Ludmila Carone
@gedankenabfall @Nuria83 But it's also not beneficiary for science because some of these types actively hinder scientific progress.
@gedankenabfall @Nuria83 But it's also not beneficiary for science because some of these types actively hinder scientific progress.
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Ludmila Carone
@Nuria83 @gedankenabfall Because of their ego and unwillingness to play with other people they resist perfectly sound ideas out of spite.
@Nuria83 @gedankenabfall Because of their ego and unwillingness to play with other people they resist perfectly sound ideas out of spite.
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Nuria Cerdá-Esteban
@Exotides @gedankenabfall Ah, you mean some of the people who *do* stay in science?
@Exotides @gedankenabfall Ah, you mean some of the people who *do* stay in science?
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Ludmila Carone
@Nuria83 @gedankenabfall Think about it: The left overs have inflated sense of self-importance+extremely stubborn+ruthless=sometimes BS
@Nuria83 @gedankenabfall Think about it: The left overs have inflated sense of self-importance+extremely stubborn+ruthless=sometimes BS
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luiza bengtsson
@gedankenabfall @Nuria83 i think it's more complex than that; for the sake of argument: fear of failure translates into 'unattractive'?
@gedankenabfall @Nuria83 i think it's more complex than that; for the sake of argument: fear of failure translates into 'unattractive'?
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Nuria Cerdá-Esteban
@bengtza @gedankenabfall I'm sick of the "fear of failure" argument... It's not about the failure, it's about the environment.
@bengtza @gedankenabfall I'm sick of the "fear of failure" argument... It's not about the failure, it's about the environment.
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Martin B.
@Nuria83 @bengtza In addition to „FoF“ there is the competitive environment, the need to dedicate oneself 24/7, generally bad job pospects …
@Nuria83 @bengtza In addition to „FoF“ there is the competitive environment, the need to dedicate oneself 24/7, generally bad job pospects …
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Nuria Cerdá-Esteban
@gedankenabfall @bengtza Yes, the competitive environment often seems to me unnecessarily competitive...
@gedankenabfall @bengtza Yes, the competitive environment often seems to me unnecessarily competitive...
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Martin B.
@bengtza I don’t think that’s the point @curtrice made. We lose good people bc uni is unattractive. So what can we do? @Nuria83
@bengtza I don’t think that’s the point @curtrice made. We lose good people bc uni is unattractive. So what can we do? @Nuria83
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luiza bengtsson
@gedankenabfall @Nuria83 and you want me to discuss this in 140 letters??? How do you do it guys????
@gedankenabfall @Nuria83 and you want me to discuss this in 140 letters??? How do you do it guys????
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Martin B.
@bengtza I could set up a blog post ref’ing to the article & we could discuss this in length in the comments. @Nuria83
@bengtza I could set up a blog post ref’ing to the article & we could discuss this in length in the comments. @Nuria83
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luiza bengtsson
@gedankenabfall ääh... just seen more people deadly unhappy forced to leave academia, than who didn't want it in the first place @Nuria83
@gedankenabfall ääh... just seen more people deadly unhappy forced to leave academia, than who didn't want it in the first place @Nuria83
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Nuria Cerdá-Esteban
@bengtza @gedankenabfall Is this changing though? Leaving earlier because of having seen so many people who were forced?
@bengtza @gedankenabfall Is this changing though? Leaving earlier because of having seen so many people who were forced?
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luiza bengtsson
@gedankenabfall @curtrice @Nuria83 is this the point then - uni is very attractive but to the wrong people? What's new about that?
@gedankenabfall @curtrice @Nuria83 is this the point then - uni is very attractive but to the wrong people? What's new about that?
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Martin B.
@bengtza *Nothing* new about that? I wrote „no surprise“ ;) @curtrice @Nuria83
@bengtza *Nothing* new about that? I wrote „no surprise“ ;) @curtrice @Nuria83
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Nuria Cerdá-Esteban
@gedankenabfall @bengtza @curtrice Yup. And I shared cause I thought the article expressed my sentiments exactly.
@gedankenabfall @bengtza @curtrice Yup. And I shared cause I thought the article expressed my sentiments exactly.