smarx
Steve Marx
This is truly getting out of hand. butyoureagirl.com/14015/forking-… (I mean the lynching, not the jokes.) /cc @adriarichards
adriarichards
Adria Richards
@smarx are you upset because I shared the facts or because it happened? Strange you would use the word "lynching"
@smarx are you upset because I shared the facts or because it happened? Strange you would use the word "lynching"
smarx
Steve Marx
@adriarichards I'm upset by your actions. I think "lynching" is a pretty accurate characterization of how I see the incident.
@adriarichards I'm upset by your actions. I think "lynching" is a pretty accurate characterization of how I see the incident.
adriarichards
Adria Richards
@smarx and I'm upset I had to listen to the stuff behind me yesterday. I'm Black. Has anyone in your family been ever encountered lynching?
@smarx and I'm upset I had to listen to the stuff behind me yesterday. I'm Black. Has anyone in your family been ever encountered lynching?
smarx
Steve Marx
@adriarichards Sorry if the word "lynching" brought up racial overtones; that was not my intention. I meant punishment without due process.
@adriarichards Sorry if the word "lynching" brought up racial overtones; that was not my intention. I meant punishment without due process.
adriarichards
Adria Richards
.@smarx Clearly if we look at Wikipedia, the word "lynching" shows a clear and explicit connection to race en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching
.@smarx Clearly if we look at Wikipedia, the word "lynching" shows a clear and explicit connection to race en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching
adriarichards
Adria Richards
@smarx a "mob" isn't one person. Sounds like you feel personally offended and are have trouble processing White male privledge
@smarx a "mob" isn't one person. Sounds like you feel personally offended and are have trouble processing White male privledge
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Steve Marx
@adriarichards Tweeting and blogging brings the mob. I wouldn't say I feel offended, but I do feel that your actions were harmful.
@adriarichards Tweeting and blogging brings the mob. I wouldn't say I feel offended, but I do feel that your actions were harmful.
Baleeted
Sebastian
@adriarichards @smarx Adria, why did you even talk about lynching in that context? He clearly didn't mean it like that.
@adriarichards @smarx Adria, why did you even talk about lynching in that context? He clearly didn't mean it like that.
Baleeted
Sebastian
@adriarichards @smarx and being half black, I understand that lynching DOES have negative connotations related to racial abuse and so forth.
@adriarichards @smarx and being half black, I understand that lynching DOES have negative connotations related to racial abuse and so forth.
Baleeted
Sebastian
@adriarichards @smarx HOWEVER, that doesn't give you the right as someone of an ethnic background (such as myself) to single HIM out because
@adriarichards @smarx HOWEVER, that doesn't give you the right as someone of an ethnic background (such as myself) to single HIM out because
Baleeted
Sebastian
@adriarichards @smarx he is a White Male. So what if he is a White Male? What difference does that make to his original point? Answer him.
@adriarichards @smarx he is a White Male. So what if he is a White Male? What difference does that make to his original point? Answer him.
smarx
Steve Marx
@Baleeted Thanks for the support, but I don't think any further answer is needed. We both expressed our points of view. /cc @adriarichards
@Baleeted Thanks for the support, but I don't think any further answer is needed. We both expressed our points of view. /cc @adriarichards
ChestnutPepper
Chestnut Rice
@Baleeted @adriarichards @smarx There is no difference, just pulling shit
@Baleeted @adriarichards @smarx There is no difference, just pulling shit
adriarichards
Adria Richards
@smarx Straight White Male: The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is by @scalzi whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/str…
@smarx Straight White Male: The Lowest Difficulty Setting There Is by @scalzi whatever.scalzi.com/2012/05/15/str…
holdenweb
Steve Holden
@smarx @adriarichards In which case you have probably never been to a lynching. Way to demonstrate racial insensitivity!
@smarx @adriarichards In which case you have probably never been to a lynching. Way to demonstrate racial insensitivity!
aleczandah
Der Kommissar
@holdenweb @adriarichards I'm sure @smarx will check his privilege in the future.
@holdenweb @adriarichards I'm sure @smarx will check his privilege in the future.
x3rames
Lucas Jenß
@adriarichards @smarx I for one am upset because people lost their jobs over this. Lynch: kill someone over an _alleged_ offense w/o trial!
@adriarichards @smarx I for one am upset because people lost their jobs over this. Lynch: kill someone over an _alleged_ offense w/o trial!
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Steve Marx
@x3rames It's very unfortunate that the guy lost his job, but I feel that the blame for that lies with his employer, not @adriarichards.
@x3rames It's very unfortunate that the guy lost his job, but I feel that the blame for that lies with his employer, not @adriarichards.
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Adria Richards
@smarx @x3rames clearly. I made comment on HN I didn't agree with his employer firing him.
@smarx @x3rames clearly. I made comment on HN I didn't agree with his employer firing him.
ntihero
antihero
@adriarichards @smarx @x3rames So I guess you're going to help him get his job back and undo the damage you've done, right?
@adriarichards @smarx @x3rames So I guess you're going to help him get his job back and undo the damage you've done, right?
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Steve Marx
@ntihero She already said (publicly) that she wished his employer would reconsider. What else do you want her to do? @adriarichards @x3rames
@ntihero She already said (publicly) that she wished his employer would reconsider. What else do you want her to do? @adriarichards @x3rames
ntihero
antihero
@smarx @adriarichards Directly contact the employer? She's screwed over a guy with a family, the decent thing is to make it right.
@smarx @adriarichards Directly contact the employer? She's screwed over a guy with a family, the decent thing is to make it right.
MoreModestThanU
Chris Christakis
@smarx @ntihero @adriarichards @x3rames company should have educated him rather than cover their ass. She has a great audience/influence
@smarx @ntihero @adriarichards @x3rames company should have educated him rather than cover their ass. She has a great audience/influence
ntihero
antihero
@MoreModestThanU @smarx @adriarichards @x3rames can you blame them for covering their ass in this environment?
@MoreModestThanU @smarx @adriarichards @x3rames can you blame them for covering their ass in this environment?
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Chris Christakis
@ntihero @smarx @adriarichards @x3rames a company can do whatever is best for their profits without me caring, can't blame them.
@ntihero @smarx @adriarichards @x3rames a company can do whatever is best for their profits without me caring, can't blame them.
MoreModestThanU
Chris Christakis
@ntihero @smarx @adriarichards @x3rames She would definitely carry some weight if she came out and championed his rehiring and education.
@ntihero @smarx @adriarichards @x3rames She would definitely carry some weight if she came out and championed his rehiring and education.
ntihero
antihero
@MoreModestThanU @adriarichards @smarx @x3rames indeed. Not education though, he did nothing wrong
@MoreModestThanU @adriarichards @smarx @x3rames indeed. Not education though, he did nothing wrong
MoreModestThanU
Chris Christakis
@ntihero @adriarichards @smarx @x3rames yeah he did, though, it was a professional setting and however harmless, his jokes were out of line.
@ntihero @adriarichards @smarx @x3rames yeah he did, though, it was a professional setting and however harmless, his jokes were out of line.
NatAlt_Aust
NatAlt Australia
@smarx @ntihero @adriarichards @x3rames Adria seems to enjoy the attention and the feel of an unjustified moral crusade.
@smarx @ntihero @adriarichards @x3rames Adria seems to enjoy the attention and the feel of an unjustified moral crusade.
ntihero
antihero
@NatAlt_Aust @adriarichards @smarx @x3rames by oz cultural identity you mean aboriginals right?
@NatAlt_Aust @adriarichards @smarx @x3rames by oz cultural identity you mean aboriginals right?
NatAlt_Aust
NatAlt Australia
@ntihero Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white. You cannot deny a people the right to protect their identity.
@ntihero Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white. You cannot deny a people the right to protect their identity.
smarx
Steve Marx
@adriarichards Freedoms always have to be balanced. We want to live life without being offended, but we also want to express ourselves...
@adriarichards Freedoms always have to be balanced. We want to live life without being offended, but we also want to express ourselves...
smarx
Steve Marx
@adriarichards ... These freedoms are at odds. I believe that freedom of expression is *far* more important.
@adriarichards ... These freedoms are at odds. I believe that freedom of expression is *far* more important.
smarx
Steve Marx
@adriarichards You worry about a little girl who won't learn programming. I worry about a person who's scared of making the wrong joke.
@adriarichards You worry about a little girl who won't learn programming. I worry about a person who's scared of making the wrong joke.
SwiftLizard
SwiftLizard
@adriarichards @smarx he has got a point there, ... You got s.o. thrown out for joking with a friend, not beeing part of their conversation
@adriarichards @smarx he has got a point there, ... You got s.o. thrown out for joking with a friend, not beeing part of their conversation
SwiftLizard
SwiftLizard
@adriarichards @smarx if they made the jokes talking with or about you, that would have been a whole other story, ...
@adriarichards @smarx if they made the jokes talking with or about you, that would have been a whole other story, ...
SwiftLizard
SwiftLizard
@adriarichards @smarx considering your very own sexist twitter jokes, with a much bigger audience your reaction is just hippocrat...
@adriarichards @smarx considering your very own sexist twitter jokes, with a much bigger audience your reaction is just hippocrat...