leashless
Vinay Gupta
Perhaps, in short, rather than blaming the nerds for being angry and for taking it out on vulnerable people around them we should ask "why"?
superbranch
The Superbranch
@leashless You're making many valid points. Yet, nerds like myself need to own our privilege
@leashless You're making many valid points. Yet, nerds like myself need to own our privilege
gl33p
Preston Austin
@superbranch Yeah. Accountability doesn't preclude understanding. @leashless' 'simmering nerd rage' has a wealth of anecdote to support it.
@superbranch Yeah. Accountability doesn't preclude understanding. @leashless' 'simmering nerd rage' has a wealth of anecdote to support it.
christt
Chris T–T
@leashless isn't that now such an out-of-date view of 'nerds' as to be an entirely separate (previous) iteration?
@leashless isn't that now such an out-of-date view of 'nerds' as to be an entirely separate (previous) iteration?
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless And I say this as a someone with full blown frustrated teen geek credentials. 'Oppression' is the wrong tree to bark up here.
@leashless And I say this as a someone with full blown frustrated teen geek credentials. 'Oppression' is the wrong tree to bark up here.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj FJ, have you noticed the kinds of stereotyping that hetrosexual male nerds get from people of all genders, but particularly women?
.@fj FJ, have you noticed the kinds of stereotyping that hetrosexual male nerds get from people of all genders, but particularly women?
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless Dude. DUDE! The lesson from @asher_wolfe is not "Let's play sad violins for the privileged ones in hacker spaces." Seriously!
@leashless Dude. DUDE! The lesson from @asher_wolfe is not "Let's play sad violins for the privileged ones in hacker spaces." Seriously!
leashless
Vinay Gupta
@fj Don't make a mockery of the case, FJ, until you have something resembling a refutation of it.
@fj Don't make a mockery of the case, FJ, until you have something resembling a refutation of it.
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless I am the refutation. My geek male adult friends who don't grope women are the refutation.
@leashless I am the refutation. My geek male adult friends who don't grope women are the refutation.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj FJ, your position is descending into parody. You've taken a nuanced argument about social exclusion and rendered it as frothing comedy.
.@fj FJ, your position is descending into parody. You've taken a nuanced argument about social exclusion and rendered it as frothing comedy.
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless If you cut the blatant victim blaming out of the argument, it might stand. And trying people with good jobs seem oppressed.
@leashless If you cut the blatant victim blaming out of the argument, it might stand. And trying people with good jobs seem oppressed.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj If asking why the nerds are angry, and coming to the conclusion it's because people treat them like shit is "victim blaming" to you...
.@fj If asking why the nerds are angry, and coming to the conclusion it's because people treat them like shit is "victim blaming" to you...
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless No, saying nerds are angry and thus understandably misogynyst because women won't fuck syadms (also wrong) is victim blaming.
@leashless No, saying nerds are angry and thus understandably misogynyst because women won't fuck syadms (also wrong) is victim blaming.
calaveron
St. Calaveronicholas
@heySMM @leashless @fj Is this guy saying heterosexual male nerds face the same persecution as gay people?
@heySMM @leashless @fj Is this guy saying heterosexual male nerds face the same persecution as gay people?
heySMM
BEARD AS HECK
you are saying, straight up, that women are obligated to have sex with these guys, and misogynist anger is a .. @leashless @fj
you are saying, straight up, that women are obligated to have sex with these guys, and misogynist anger is a .. @leashless @fj
heySMM
BEARD AS HECK
..justified response to women's dereliction of duty. that is what you are saying. that is a bad opinion. @leashless @fj
..justified response to women's dereliction of duty. that is what you are saying. that is a bad opinion. @leashless @fj
UsaSlumdog
USASLUMDOG
@KMBTweets - Hey Tweetheart .... jes saw my cyber kiss ............ much thanx, but ........ next time cudja stand a lil closer?
@KMBTweets - Hey Tweetheart .... jes saw my cyber kiss ............ much thanx, but ........ next time cudja stand a lil closer?
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj then I think you're trapped in a very outmoded form of identity politics *indeed*. Either that or it's 2AM and we're both tired. :-/
.@fj then I think you're trapped in a very outmoded form of identity politics *indeed*. Either that or it's 2AM and we're both tired. :-/
opendna
Jay McKinnon
@leashless Yeah, you should get some sleep. This thread has uncharacteristic stupidity: twitter.com/leashless/stat… twitter.com/leashless/stat…
@leashless Yeah, you should get some sleep. This thread has uncharacteristic stupidity: twitter.com/leashless/stat… twitter.com/leashless/stat…
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj When you're actually willing to look at victims outside of your chosen groups (women, gay men) we can talk. Until then, reread maybe.
.@fj When you're actually willing to look at victims outside of your chosen groups (women, gay men) we can talk. Until then, reread maybe.
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless You CAN'T call not wanting to fuck some a form of persecution! It is insane! What's next a screed on the friend zone?
@leashless You CAN'T call not wanting to fuck some a form of persecution! It is insane! What's next a screed on the friend zone?
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj As I have said, FJ, you need to re-read what I said. I talked about stereotypes and social exclusion both of which are very real things
.@fj As I have said, FJ, you need to re-read what I said. I talked about stereotypes and social exclusion both of which are very real things
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj And if you're willing to suggest that stereotyping and social exclusion do not constitute prejudice, consider the gay rights struggle.
.@fj And if you're willing to suggest that stereotyping and social exclusion do not constitute prejudice, consider the gay rights struggle.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj Often minorities which have got some privileges back from society resist expansion of the circle to include the remaining out-groups.
.@fj Often minorities which have got some privileges back from society resist expansion of the circle to include the remaining out-groups.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj Let's factor this again, but this time include factors like asbergers and the whole autism spectrum, as well as introversion.
.@fj Let's factor this again, but this time include factors like asbergers and the whole autism spectrum, as well as introversion.
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless Read it the first time. You don't need to rehash it. I will still not go along with victim-blaming. Without it, we can talk.
@leashless Read it the first time. You don't need to rehash it. I will still not go along with victim-blaming. Without it, we can talk.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj You seem to suggest that there's simply nothing wrong with the way that nerds are treated and stereotyped in society. Sheer foolishness
.@fj You seem to suggest that there's simply nothing wrong with the way that nerds are treated and stereotyped in society. Sheer foolishness
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj The one thing that purveyors of identity politics never understood is that one form of privilege (gay, female) doesn't trump all others
.@fj The one thing that purveyors of identity politics never understood is that one form of privilege (gay, female) doesn't trump all others
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj From where I'm sitting, you look like a member of a privileged out-group fighting like hell to prevent other out-groups from being seen
.@fj From where I'm sitting, you look like a member of a privileged out-group fighting like hell to prevent other out-groups from being seen
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless I am not fighting crypto nerds. I am telling u to stop trying to make women not sexing at geeks be some excuse for misogyny
@leashless I am not fighting crypto nerds. I am telling u to stop trying to make women not sexing at geeks be some excuse for misogyny
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj FJ, you're fighting a straw man there. You've entirely misconstrued my argument about social exclusion into a parody position.
.@fj FJ, you're fighting a straw man there. You've entirely misconstrued my argument about social exclusion into a parody position.
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless Your words are right there. And you're turning @asher_wolfe's experience into WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ
@leashless Your words are right there. And you're turning @asher_wolfe's experience into WHAT ABOUT THE MENZ
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj And simply repeating your misreading of what I've said over and over again does not make it any more my position.
.@fj And simply repeating your misreading of what I've said over and over again does not make it any more my position.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj It is very, very easy to simply ignore how low the social status of our technical caste is unless they become very, very rich indeed.
.@fj It is very, very easy to simply ignore how low the social status of our technical caste is unless they become very, very rich indeed.
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless 1) Don't tell me about the 'technical caste' -- I've been there. 2) If I got it so wrong, consider it a warning to write better.
@leashless 1) Don't tell me about the 'technical caste' -- I've been there. 2) If I got it so wrong, consider it a warning to write better.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj If you simply silence all that discussion with VICTIM BLAMING VICTIM BLAMING you're simply silencing dissent to protect your politics.
.@fj If you simply silence all that discussion with VICTIM BLAMING VICTIM BLAMING you're simply silencing dissent to protect your politics.
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless Disagreeing with you on Twitter is not silencing. It is telling you you are not coming across as intended.
@leashless Disagreeing with you on Twitter is not silencing. It is telling you you are not coming across as intended.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj I think there's need for a *much wider* consideration of how we're treating the nerd population in general. Something's very wrong.
.@fj I think there's need for a *much wider* consideration of how we're treating the nerd population in general. Something's very wrong.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj I view the misogyny and racism as *symptoms* of a much more pervasive issue, the social exclusion of the technical class.
.@fj I view the misogyny and racism as *symptoms* of a much more pervasive issue, the social exclusion of the technical class.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj And you're *so very defensive* of the hard-won equality that women have begun to enjoy in areas you can't consider other oppressions.
.@fj And you're *so very defensive* of the hard-won equality that women have begun to enjoy in areas you can't consider other oppressions.
fj
FJ!! van Wingerde
@leashless If anything you're making crypto nerds look just awful. Just awfully broken.
@leashless If anything you're making crypto nerds look just awful. Just awfully broken.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj Exactly the same kind of reactionary nonsense that trans people got from some feminists until en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_… right now actually
.@fj Exactly the same kind of reactionary nonsense that trans people got from some feminists until en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_… right now actually
KMBTweets
Khadijah M. Britton
.@leashless @fj We are talking about the treatment female NERDS get from male NERDS, not your poor male friends feeling uncool to non-NERDS.
.@leashless @fj We are talking about the treatment female NERDS get from male NERDS, not your poor male friends feeling uncool to non-NERDS.
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj We take a sector of society - introverts with autism spectrum activity - have them run our society and don't invite them to our parties
.@fj We take a sector of society - introverts with autism spectrum activity - have them run our society and don't invite them to our parties
leashless
Vinay Gupta
.@fj I think - and I've thought about this for years - that we need to be pretty clear that social exclusion based on stereotypes is wrong.
.@fj I think - and I've thought about this for years - that we need to be pretty clear that social exclusion based on stereotypes is wrong.