esynclairs Elizabeth
Chat transcript about goo.gl/eZv9i : tl.gd/jus92r /cc @maymaym

November 10, 2012     1 retweets #

maymaym maymaym
@esynclairs Thanks for this. This helped me today. (I also like your brain. [twitter.com/wanderingpirat…])

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MsCrosswords Ms. Crosswords
@esynclairs: I like how they're false accusations because it's your friend who's being accused.

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@MsCrosswords I'm not saying the accusation is false, I'm saying it's opaque, and when I ask for clarification I am socially punished.

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KinkWeasel Kink Weasel
@esynclairs @MsCrosswords Its opaque cuz you don’t believe your BFF could harass? Or because you only have the harassed’s word for it?

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@KinkWeasel It's opaque because "abuse" has the potential to refer to many things & I don't know what thing it means here.

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KinkWeasel Kink Weasel
@esynclairs In this case: “I told him to leave me alone & not come to my party & he sent someone to spy on it in the guise of research.”

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@KinkWeasel Is doing research atypical of @maymaym? Is it not douchy to expect permission to control someone because they've hurt you?

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KinkWeasel Kink Weasel
@esynclairs Research is fine. Sending someone to spy on a former partner & publishing the results isn’t research. It’s harassment. Yo.

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@KinkWeasel I notice IDK enough about what happened in this instance - I'm gonna try and ask both parties. Thx for illuminating this.

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KinkWeasel Kink Weasel
@esynclairs That’s a good idea. Just remember that it’s only flesh that can tell you about pain. The knife never can.

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@KinkWeasel The consistent implication that @maymaym is the only agent in causing pain, & that he is never hurt, spooks me.

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MsCrosswords Ms. Crosswords
@esynclairs @kinkweasel: It doesn't matter how much he hurts. He needs to be accountable for the damage he inflicts.

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@MsCrosswords Do Miss Maggie Mayhem, Kitty Stryker need to be held accountable for e.g. goo.gl/uf8IN?

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MsCrosswords Ms. Crosswords
@esynclairs: Saying mean things is not the same thing as stalking.

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@MsCrosswords Are you saying that people who are verbally abused aren't real victims? (This is an actual question, not rhetorical device.)

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MsCrosswords Ms. Crosswords
@esynclairs I mean shit, we've both seen Maymay do that pretty much constantly. It's practically what he's famous for.

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@MsCrosswords Is the difference in the intention of the actor or in the suffering felt by their victim, or something else?

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MsCrosswords Ms. Crosswords
@esynclairs: No. Intention isn't magic.

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@MsCrosswords The question was: which of those three things is the difference? 'No' as an answer doesn't make sense to me.

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MsCrosswords Ms. Crosswords
@esynclairs: OK. Trying to educate you about basic consent culture concepts is triggering. I need to leave you some reading and disengage.

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@MsCrosswords Thanks so much for the convo & for taking care of yourself!

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@KinkWeasel You're the folks making fun of his pain the way I got made fun of in school. His folks aren't. Therefore, while I don't think...

November 12, 2012 #

esynclairs Elizabeth
@KinkWeasel ...he's the only one who hurts and y'all aren't, I feel safer speaking with him than with Kitty Stryker, Maggie Mayhem, etc.

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KinkWeasel Kink Weasel
@esynclairs Of course he feels pain. He’s just not that into acknowledging that others do or that he may cause it.

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@KinkWeasel And the people I named ARE?

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KinkWeasel Kink Weasel
@esynclairs I don’t know. Being human means hurting & getting hurt. I assume everyone suffers & causes suffering. It’s what happens next.

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KinkWeasel Kink Weasel
@esynclairs If he’s your friend & you trust him, that’s great. He is terribly clever and passionate. But he also has a lot of former friends

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@MsCrosswords I've sought out the ppl who make these accusations & asked them to convince me, but haven't succeeded yet.

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MsCrosswords Ms. Crosswords
@esynclairs: "Prove to me you were abused" is MASSIVE rape culture.

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@MsCrosswords I don't want "proof someone was abused." I want 'abuse' defined for these instances so I can model the world better.

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KinkWeasel Kink Weasel
@esynclairs Well why didn’t you say so? Abuse is when someone keeps being a douche after being told to stop, yo. @MsCrosswords

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@KinkWeasel Um, then this word is as fucking useless. It's like calling both the Peoples Temple and the Singularity Institute 'cults'.

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KinkWeasel Kink Weasel
@esynclairs Ok I’ll make it easy. Your friend has interesting ideas. But he’s an asshole. Want empirical evidence? Disagree w/him.

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MsCrosswords Ms. Crosswords
@esynclairs: So it's that the abuse @MsMaggieMayhem just isn't up to your standards?

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esynclairs Elizabeth
@MsCrosswords I didn't say anything like that, and don't forsee this discussion going anywhere useful.

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MsMaggieMayhem Maggie Mayhem
@MsCrosswords Toadies. I stick with creepy and stalker tactics. But we can say it sure ain't friendly.

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MsMaggieMayhem Maggie Mayhem
@MsCrosswords Fucking someone and blogging their sex acts at a party is also scarier when you're a sex worker with no chance to rely on cops

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MsMaggieMayhem Maggie Mayhem
@MsCrosswords I'm legally rapeable and stalkable. missmaggiemayhem.com/2012/05/03/sto… When the legal system will never intervene for me, shit's scary.

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