MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
"There is no evidence for a resurrection" says @ProfFrancesca. 2.2bn Muslims agree. #bbcsml
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar is there a reason you're attacking sacred tenet of Christian faith on a Sunday?
@MoAnsar is there a reason you're attacking sacred tenet of Christian faith on a Sunday?
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@seventimestom Merely commenting on something a friend has said, on a TV program I come on. No cause for oversensitivity.
@seventimestom Merely commenting on something a friend has said, on a TV program I come on. No cause for oversensitivity.
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar well 2.2 billion Muslims agree comment was more than mere 'comment'. Not over sensitivity, surprise as you're normally courteous.
@MoAnsar well 2.2 billion Muslims agree comment was more than mere 'comment'. Not over sensitivity, surprise as you're normally courteous.
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar well if I commented on principle of Islam in the middle of Friday prayers how would you perceive it?
@MoAnsar well if I commented on principle of Islam in the middle of Friday prayers how would you perceive it?
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
.@seventimestom Its absurd to suggest critical discourse on Xstianity on a Sunday should not be allowed. Lets not be oversensitive.
.@seventimestom Its absurd to suggest critical discourse on Xstianity on a Sunday should not be allowed. Lets not be oversensitive.
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar no I was suggesting that your comment was discourteous. You didn't answer my last question and pretending that I am being...
@MoAnsar no I was suggesting that your comment was discourteous. You didn't answer my last question and pretending that I am being...
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@seventimestom Explain how it is discourteous. If you're right I'll apologise. Quite happily.
@seventimestom Explain how it is discourteous. If you're right I'll apologise. Quite happily.
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar put yourself in the position of Muslim offended by Tom Holland documentary. Imagine if he had said Islam was based on lie. Got it?
@MoAnsar put yourself in the position of Muslim offended by Tom Holland documentary. Imagine if he had said Islam was based on lie. Got it?
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@seventimestom I love Christians but to say Xstianity is beyond critical debate between people who's job it is to do that, is very silly.
@seventimestom I love Christians but to say Xstianity is beyond critical debate between people who's job it is to do that, is very silly.
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar wow, I am just amazed how you seem to be purposefully twisting what I said. Saying the basis of Christianity a lie would offend...
@MoAnsar wow, I am just amazed how you seem to be purposefully twisting what I said. Saying the basis of Christianity a lie would offend...
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar most Christians. Although you are entitled to your point of view. Calling me silly, over sensitive, and sour is not dialogue.
@MoAnsar most Christians. Although you are entitled to your point of view. Calling me silly, over sensitive, and sour is not dialogue.
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar I'm sorry if I have come across rudely though as I have the greatest respect for you. Also great respect for Islam.
@MoAnsar I'm sorry if I have come across rudely though as I have the greatest respect for you. Also great respect for Islam.
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar over sensitive is not lessening what I see as slightly off comment. If people of faith don't respect each other faiths who will.
@MoAnsar over sensitive is not lessening what I see as slightly off comment. If people of faith don't respect each other faiths who will.
19reedy74
Reedy
@seventimestom @MoAnsar He does this... ludicrous statement followed by either silence, insults, or claims you're Islamaphobic. #insensitive
@seventimestom @MoAnsar He does this... ludicrous statement followed by either silence, insults, or claims you're Islamaphobic. #insensitive
19reedy74
Reedy
@MoAnsar @seventimestom Tell me Mo, do you regard the Anglican faith to be one of those "cereals off the shelf" you discussed earlier?
@MoAnsar @seventimestom Tell me Mo, do you regard the Anglican faith to be one of those "cereals off the shelf" you discussed earlier?
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@reed0680 there did seem to be a breakdown in communication. He's very busy on twitter so I'll give him benefit of doubt.
@reed0680 there did seem to be a breakdown in communication. He's very busy on twitter so I'll give him benefit of doubt.
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@reed0680 don't think I will seek to have communication with him in future though as it was quite frustrating.
@reed0680 don't think I will seek to have communication with him in future though as it was quite frustrating.
19reedy74
Reedy
@seventimestom That sims up my experience of him too. Take care for now and kind regards.
@seventimestom That sims up my experience of him too. Take care for now and kind regards.
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar I put up with atheist's comments all day and Sunday too. Just didn't expect same type of comment from you.
@MoAnsar I put up with atheist's comments all day and Sunday too. Just didn't expect same type of comment from you.
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@seventimestom What was wrong with it? You're being uncharacteristically sour. Xstianity is not beyond critical dialogue.
@seventimestom What was wrong with it? You're being uncharacteristically sour. Xstianity is not beyond critical dialogue.
seventimestom
Thomas Milman
@MoAnsar dialogue isn't typically started by comment that 2.2 billion people see no basis for a faith.
@MoAnsar dialogue isn't typically started by comment that 2.2 billion people see no basis for a faith.
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
This shows a problem of religion >> RT @MoAnsar "There's no evidence for a resurrection" says @ProfFrancesca. 2.2bn Muslims agree. #bbcsml
This shows a problem of religion >> RT @MoAnsar "There's no evidence for a resurrection" says @ProfFrancesca. 2.2bn Muslims agree. #bbcsml
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@DrEvanHarris Evan, why is it a problem that an atheist Biblical scholar and I, a Muslim, agree? @ProfFrancesca
@DrEvanHarris Evan, why is it a problem that an atheist Biblical scholar and I, a Muslim, agree? @ProfFrancesca
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@MoAnsar Because you are selectively agreeing with @ProfFrancesca that New Testament not always true, but the Koran...
@MoAnsar Because you are selectively agreeing with @ProfFrancesca that New Testament not always true, but the Koran...
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca NT full of holes. Censored, corrupted, questionable, inauthentic. Not all bad. Yes, Quran beyond reproach.
@DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca NT full of holes. Censored, corrupted, questionable, inauthentic. Not all bad. Yes, Quran beyond reproach.
SlagBass
Ian Gibson
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca All religious books are merely propaganda documents to facilitate social control...don't get suckered
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca All religious books are merely propaganda documents to facilitate social control...don't get suckered
AdWatcher
Paul Foster
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca It illustrates how close to atheism believers are: aside for 1, they see all religions as fiction.
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca It illustrates how close to atheism believers are: aside for 1, they see all religions as fiction.
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca You're normally sharper than this. Still not read the Quran yet, Evan?
@DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca You're normally sharper than this. Still not read the Quran yet, Evan?
smile_of_decade
patrick © graham
@DrEvanHarris @MoAnsar @ProfFrancesca (no resurrection) but you've found something that Muslims and Jews agree on! Peace at last, Surely?
@DrEvanHarris @MoAnsar @ProfFrancesca (no resurrection) but you've found something that Muslims and Jews agree on! Peace at last, Surely?
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@smile_of_decade Evan's a bit upset that any faith should have some credibility. Militant fundy atheism is scary. @DrEvanHarris
@smile_of_decade Evan's a bit upset that any faith should have some credibility. Militant fundy atheism is scary. @DrEvanHarris
smile_of_decade
patrick © graham
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris really? - examples of such? death threats? actual murder? I see this only from religious fundy militants
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris really? - examples of such? death threats? actual murder? I see this only from religious fundy militants
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@smile_of_decade A militant atheist is one with a publicly voiced opinion apparently @MoAnsar
@smile_of_decade A militant atheist is one with a publicly voiced opinion apparently @MoAnsar
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@MoAnsar I love it when people like you seek to tell me what I am upset about but intelligent debate it is not @smile_of_decade
@MoAnsar I love it when people like you seek to tell me what I am upset about but intelligent debate it is not @smile_of_decade
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@DrEvanHarris If you ever stopped making ad homs long enough to engage in a rational discussion, you wouldn't melt. @smile_of_decade
@DrEvanHarris If you ever stopped making ad homs long enough to engage in a rational discussion, you wouldn't melt. @smile_of_decade
smile_of_decade
patrick © graham
@MoAnsar once again, a false perception, not 1 ad hom on this subject in @DrEvanHarris timeline. (Or melt) Persecution fantasies widening?
@MoAnsar once again, a false perception, not 1 ad hom on this subject in @DrEvanHarris timeline. (Or melt) Persecution fantasies widening?
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@smile_of_decade He (@moansar) often does this - retreating into ad hom against me, while accusing me of it. Never fronts up w/ an example
@smile_of_decade He (@moansar) often does this - retreating into ad hom against me, while accusing me of it. Never fronts up w/ an example
smile_of_decade
patrick © graham
@DrEvanHarris @moansar I think its all stems from the "persecution" of losing the argument and having irrational privilege exposed
@DrEvanHarris @moansar I think its all stems from the "persecution" of losing the argument and having irrational privilege exposed
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@smile_of_decade @DrEvanHarris Evan is playing the wounded puppy. He's a tiger in reality.
@smile_of_decade @DrEvanHarris Evan is playing the wounded puppy. He's a tiger in reality.
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@MoAnsar So show me one ad hominem remark in my timeline here. You just made two by the way, including that one. Bad form @smile_of_decade
@MoAnsar So show me one ad hominem remark in my timeline here. You just made two by the way, including that one. Bad form @smile_of_decade
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@smile_of_decade They probably dont agree they agree @MoAnsar @ProfFrancesca
@smile_of_decade They probably dont agree they agree @MoAnsar @ProfFrancesca
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@DrEvanHarris @smile_of_decade @ProfFrancesca At some point you'll have to stop being the kid in the playground shouting "fight-fight".
@DrEvanHarris @smile_of_decade @ProfFrancesca At some point you'll have to stop being the kid in the playground shouting "fight-fight".
smile_of_decade
patrick © graham
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca I don't see anyone from the middle east here, you are wasting your words.
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca I don't see anyone from the middle east here, you are wasting your words.
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@MoAnsar I dont think that was called for. I thought this was a serious discusion. @smile_of_decade @ProfFrancesca
@MoAnsar I dont think that was called for. I thought this was a serious discusion. @smile_of_decade @ProfFrancesca
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@DrEvanHarris @smile_of_decade @ProfFrancesca Playing faith groups off one another is a tired tactic from the humanist play book, Evan.
@DrEvanHarris @smile_of_decade @ProfFrancesca Playing faith groups off one another is a tired tactic from the humanist play book, Evan.
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@DrEvanHarris @smile_of_decade @ProfFrancesca People are looking for a system to unite groups, for common ground; this has to be the aim.
@DrEvanHarris @smile_of_decade @ProfFrancesca People are looking for a system to unite groups, for common ground; this has to be the aim.
smile_of_decade
patrick © graham
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca I'd like this to be true but haven't spoken with everybody. Some dissenters are already apparent.
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca I'd like this to be true but haven't spoken with everybody. Some dissenters are already apparent.
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@smile_of_decade Always dissenters. Social agenda in tatters, inequality increasing; we need solutions. @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca
@smile_of_decade Always dissenters. Social agenda in tatters, inequality increasing; we need solutions. @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca
smile_of_decade
patrick © graham
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca fundamentalists & absolutists are part of the problem. Religions hold these positions, stopping them?
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca fundamentalists & absolutists are part of the problem. Religions hold these positions, stopping them?
paul_trembath
Paul Trembath
@DrEvanHarris "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
@DrEvanHarris "We are all atheists about most of the gods that humanity has ever believed in. Some of us just go one god further."
4tis
4tis
@DrEvanHarris @MoAnsar @ProfFrancesca As well as problems with concept of blasphemy. I believe denying resurrection would be blasphemous?
@DrEvanHarris @MoAnsar @ProfFrancesca As well as problems with concept of blasphemy. I believe denying resurrection would be blasphemous?
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@4tis @MoAnsar @ProfFrancesca Point is that millions of muslims believe that denying truth of Koran is blasphemy & a serious crime (Crime!)
@4tis @MoAnsar @ProfFrancesca Point is that millions of muslims believe that denying truth of Koran is blasphemy & a serious crime (Crime!)
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
.@DrEvanHarris @4tis @ProfFrancesca That has to be one to the most absurd, inaccurate and sweeping generalisation I've ever heard. Millions?
.@DrEvanHarris @4tis @ProfFrancesca That has to be one to the most absurd, inaccurate and sweeping generalisation I've ever heard. Millions?
4tis
4tis
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca Would it not be blasphemous to deny that the Mohammed was a prophet?
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca Would it not be blasphemous to deny that the Mohammed was a prophet?
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@4tis @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca Odd question. For who to say what in what circumstances, according to who's law?
@4tis @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca Odd question. For who to say what in what circumstances, according to who's law?
4tis
4tis
@MoAnsar Good question. How would you define blasphemy in the context of Islam? Or any other world religion?
@MoAnsar Good question. How would you define blasphemy in the context of Islam? Or any other world religion?
4tis
4tis
@MoAnsar And your response indicates the problem with the concept of blasphemy. It seems to be in the eye of the beholder.
@MoAnsar And your response indicates the problem with the concept of blasphemy. It seems to be in the eye of the beholder.
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@MoAnsar @4tis @ProfFrancesca Start with Pakistan and move on to other Islamic countries. Dont dodge the question
@MoAnsar @4tis @ProfFrancesca Start with Pakistan and move on to other Islamic countries. Dont dodge the question
RowllyPowlly
Rowland Hill
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @4tis @ProfFrancesca Blasphemy is acting against beliefs, religious or otherwise, held by a dominant sect?
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @4tis @ProfFrancesca Blasphemy is acting against beliefs, religious or otherwise, held by a dominant sect?
4tis
4tis
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca It is a very good question & I'd be very interested to learn what you believe blasphemy is.
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca It is a very good question & I'd be very interested to learn what you believe blasphemy is.
4tis
4tis
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca Though the operational definition seems to be that it is whatever believers want it to be.
@MoAnsar @DrEvanHarris @ProfFrancesca Though the operational definition seems to be that it is whatever believers want it to be.
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@MoAnsar So start w/ muslim populn of Pakistan, & then see what proportion believe blasphemy to be a serious crime @4tis @ProfFrancesca
@MoAnsar So start w/ muslim populn of Pakistan, & then see what proportion believe blasphemy to be a serious crime @4tis @ProfFrancesca
saarahh11
Sarah!
@drevanharris lol Dr. Evidence, are you for real?? You should know, cooking up facts goes against your 'policy' @moansar
@drevanharris lol Dr. Evidence, are you for real?? You should know, cooking up facts goes against your 'policy' @moansar
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@sarahhkhan11 What proportion of the 100m + muslim population of Pakistan support their blasphemy laws? Start with that. @MoAnsar
@sarahhkhan11 What proportion of the 100m + muslim population of Pakistan support their blasphemy laws? Start with that. @MoAnsar
tcbtttc
Rae Webster
.@MoAnsar @proffrancesca @DrEvanHarris But everything written in your book is the absolute truth? Where is the evidence for that? #bbcsml
.@MoAnsar @proffrancesca @DrEvanHarris But everything written in your book is the absolute truth? Where is the evidence for that? #bbcsml
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@tcbtttc @DrEvanHarris Have you looked? Yes. Testable, critical, scientific proof. Try looking. We're not a confused faith with an...
@tcbtttc @DrEvanHarris Have you looked? Yes. Testable, critical, scientific proof. Try looking. We're not a confused faith with an...
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@tcbtttc @DrEvanHarris ..incomplete, corrupt scriptures. Most atheists entirely ignorant about a faith they tackle using antiXstian rhetoric
@tcbtttc @DrEvanHarris ..incomplete, corrupt scriptures. Most atheists entirely ignorant about a faith they tackle using antiXstian rhetoric
DrEvanHarris
Dr Evan Harris
@MoAnsar @tcbtttc I get it. Your point is that Christian Scriptures are - in parts - false, while Islamic ones are 100% true. Fine. Enjoy.
@MoAnsar @tcbtttc I get it. Your point is that Christian Scriptures are - in parts - false, while Islamic ones are 100% true. Fine. Enjoy.
chintito
Faisal Ahmed
@MoAnsar @tcbtttc @DrEvanHarris Scrutinising Islam with the template used to reject Christianity is mildly racist I would add.
@MoAnsar @tcbtttc @DrEvanHarris Scrutinising Islam with the template used to reject Christianity is mildly racist I would add.
ajaltamimi
Aymenn J Al-Tamimi
@MoAnsar @tcbtttc @DrEvanHarris Mohammed, where is your evidence that there are 2.2 billion Muslims?
@MoAnsar @tcbtttc @DrEvanHarris Mohammed, where is your evidence that there are 2.2 billion Muslims?
Arrest_Bankers
Arrest the Bankers
@MoAnsar @ProfFrancesca There's no evidence of anything to do with Mohammad.
@MoAnsar @ProfFrancesca There's no evidence of anything to do with Mohammad.