Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@maymaym Ugh, okay I know I said I was done but seriously folks complaining about you referencing yourself is really annoying. [1/2]
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM anyone who only cites themselves is obviously suspect of bias. See: journalism, academia, scientific studies
@Wendy_RM anyone who only cites themselves is obviously suspect of bias. See: journalism, academia, scientific studies
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker in my experience (& I haven't read everything written) he sites others ≅25% of the time. DGMW I love outside sources. 1/2
@kittystryker in my experience (& I haven't read everything written) he sites others ≅25% of the time. DGMW I love outside sources. 1/2
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker @maymaym says self-referencing provides details/background not legitimacy. He doesn't care to be academically legit. 2/2
@kittystryker @maymaym says self-referencing provides details/background not legitimacy. He doesn't care to be academically legit. 2/2
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker Bias isnt evil. & @maymaym is vry clear about his. I find folks who claim no bias mre suspect than those who state it clearly.
@kittystryker Bias isnt evil. & @maymaym is vry clear about his. I find folks who claim no bias mre suspect than those who state it clearly.
maymaym
maymaym
@Wendy_RM If you engage w/@kittystryker on my behalf, please stop. It won't advance convo, as she makes clear. Otherwise, enjoy if possible.
@Wendy_RM If you engage w/@kittystryker on my behalf, please stop. It won't advance convo, as she makes clear. Otherwise, enjoy if possible.
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker I'd never site @maymaym as a journalist, academic, or scientist. I think he'd be offended if I called him any of those things.
@kittystryker I'd never site @maymaym as a journalist, academic, or scientist. I think he'd be offended if I called him any of those things.
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM bias exposes privilege if you refuse to admit your bias as yours and ignore marginalized voices.
@Wendy_RM bias exposes privilege if you refuse to admit your bias as yours and ignore marginalized voices.
maymaym
maymaym
@Wendy_RM Case in point, BTW: twitter.com/kittystryker/s… Nearly all my #FetLife posts link to ConsentCulture.com yet I'm accused of self-promo.
@Wendy_RM Case in point, BTW: twitter.com/kittystryker/s… Nearly all my #FetLife posts link to ConsentCulture.com yet I'm accused of self-promo.
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@maymaym It's not for you in particular it's for self-referencers everywhere. bell hooks is one of my favorites.
@maymaym It's not for you in particular it's for self-referencers everywhere. bell hooks is one of my favorites.
maymaym
maymaym
@Wendy_RM *shrug* Be my guest. It's clear to me that ppl of such ilk are uninterested in much other than…I'll let you finish the thought. ;)
@Wendy_RM *shrug* Be my guest. It's clear to me that ppl of such ilk are uninterested in much other than…I'll let you finish the thought. ;)
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@maymaym I pretty much have a lot of fucks to give & practice of giving them is more important than choosnin whom to give 'em to @ this pnt.
@maymaym I pretty much have a lot of fucks to give & practice of giving them is more important than choosnin whom to give 'em to @ this pnt.
maymaym
maymaym
@Wendy_RM Very well. You already know I think it's a pointless endeavor, but if you feel you're gaining value, I encourage & support you. :)
@Wendy_RM Very well. You already know I think it's a pointless endeavor, but if you feel you're gaining value, I encourage & support you. :)
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM and FOX news tends to cite itself, creating circular logic that adds nothing to a debate, which is why no one respects them. :)
@Wendy_RM and FOX news tends to cite itself, creating circular logic that adds nothing to a debate, which is why no one respects them. :)
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker I don't respect FOX bc they refuse responsibility for msging. Self-reference can be circuitous but isn't inherently nonlegit.
@kittystryker I don't respect FOX bc they refuse responsibility for msging. Self-reference can be circuitous but isn't inherently nonlegit.
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM additionally, @maymaym consistently refuses to take responsibility for his messaging, OR his privilege.
@Wendy_RM additionally, @maymaym consistently refuses to take responsibility for his messaging, OR his privilege.
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM well, I dearly, dearly hope you never debate against him on a subject having to do with your own lived experience, then.
@Wendy_RM well, I dearly, dearly hope you never debate against him on a subject having to do with your own lived experience, then.
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM also, having seen the wreckage he's left behind among people I care about, and who cared for him... my sympathy is pretty thin.
@Wendy_RM also, having seen the wreckage he's left behind among people I care about, and who cared for him... my sympathy is pretty thin.
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM and will always be, until he takes ownership for his actions and their consequences. SA: missmaggiemayhem.com/2012/08/17/bew…
@Wendy_RM and will always be, until he takes ownership for his actions and their consequences. SA: missmaggiemayhem.com/2012/08/17/bew…
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker My presence in this convo might show you I don't judge quickly, all I see: accuses of anger & publicizing info others offered.
@kittystryker My presence in this convo might show you I don't judge quickly, all I see: accuses of anger & publicizing info others offered.
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker these are both things I already know @maymaym does/feels & have accepted.
@kittystryker these are both things I already know @maymaym does/feels & have accepted.
maymaym
maymaym
@Wendy_RM So FWIW, since @MsMaggieMayhem's stated she's shared our email exchanges, if you'd like to read them, ask. Email is always a copy.
@Wendy_RM So FWIW, since @MsMaggieMayhem's stated she's shared our email exchanges, if you'd like to read them, ask. Email is always a copy.
MsMaggieMayhem
Maggie Mayhem
@maymaym @Wendy_RM A good idea since so much has already been plucked from chats and messages without credit for a long time.
@maymaym @Wendy_RM A good idea since so much has already been plucked from chats and messages without credit for a long time.
maymaym
maymaym
@MsMaggieMayhem Genuine Q: Are you interested in sharing our email exchanges publicly? I haven't wanted to do so w/o your express agreement.
@MsMaggieMayhem Genuine Q: Are you interested in sharing our email exchanges publicly? I haven't wanted to do so w/o your express agreement.
MsMaggieMayhem
Maggie Mayhem
@maymaym Share them privately all you want. I doubt my consent matters to you about public posting. I don't think they're blog content.
@maymaym Share them privately all you want. I doubt my consent matters to you about public posting. I don't think they're blog content.
maymaym
maymaym
@MsMaggieMayhem It matters; it's why I asked. You make murky claims at best. I'm happy to have our emails be public, but not if you are not.
@MsMaggieMayhem It matters; it's why I asked. You make murky claims at best. I'm happy to have our emails be public, but not if you are not.
MsMaggieMayhem
Maggie Mayhem
@maymaym No, on grounds that our private exchanges can already be found like jigsaw pieces all over your work. You've used them enough.
@maymaym No, on grounds that our private exchanges can already be found like jigsaw pieces all over your work. You've used them enough.
maymaym
maymaym
@MsMaggieMayhem That's the very claim I find murky. I cite you often [status.maymay.net/notice/14926] but seem not to appease. Nevertheless…very well.
@MsMaggieMayhem That's the very claim I find murky. I cite you often [status.maymay.net/notice/14926] but seem not to appease. Nevertheless…very well.
MsMaggieMayhem
Maggie Mayhem
@maymaym I think we both find one another's claims 'murky.' We shared thousands of words, esp on chat logs. You've used them enough.
@maymaym I think we both find one another's claims 'murky.' We shared thousands of words, esp on chat logs. You've used them enough.
maymaym
maymaym
@MsMaggieMayhem Yes, we do. I feel consistently attacked. I've not made accusations about you. Your accusations pile up—will it ever end? :(
@MsMaggieMayhem Yes, we do. I feel consistently attacked. I've not made accusations about you. Your accusations pile up—will it ever end? :(
MsMaggieMayhem
Maggie Mayhem
@maymaym Moreover, sending eyes to a party I hosted after we broke up (maybe because we did) is a scary attack for a stalking survivor.
@maymaym Moreover, sending eyes to a party I hosted after we broke up (maybe because we did) is a scary attack for a stalking survivor.
maymaym
maymaym
@MsMaggieMayhem Another accusation w/little basis. :( Friend offered to tally @MissionControl's imagery in my stead. SA days.maybemaimed.com/post/995111802…
@MsMaggieMayhem Another accusation w/little basis. :( Friend offered to tally @MissionControl's imagery in my stead. SA days.maybemaimed.com/post/995111802…
MsMaggieMayhem
Maggie Mayhem
@maymaym Under false pretenses that you were ostracized purely for activist work and you knew I was stalked.
@maymaym Under false pretenses that you were ostracized purely for activist work and you knew I was stalked.
maymaym
maymaym
@MsMaggieMayhem Okay Maggie. Yet again, I'm sorry. I'll stop engaging w/you now & request the same from you. Please respect this. Thank you.
@MsMaggieMayhem Okay Maggie. Yet again, I'm sorry. I'll stop engaging w/you now & request the same from you. Please respect this. Thank you.
MsMaggieMayhem
Maggie Mayhem
@maymaym Like I had no reason to be afraid when an ex (after harsh words) wrote about what I did sexually at a party w/411 from a 3rd party?
@maymaym Like I had no reason to be afraid when an ex (after harsh words) wrote about what I did sexually at a party w/411 from a 3rd party?
MsMaggieMayhem
Maggie Mayhem
@maymaym @Wendy_RM You can also ask @Im_Jon about the fight that broke us apart.
@maymaym @Wendy_RM You can also ask @Im_Jon about the fight that broke us apart.
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM well, good for you. Unfortunately, I can't accept his anti-SW attitude, or his bridge-burning martyrdom, or his privilege.
@Wendy_RM well, good for you. Unfortunately, I can't accept his anti-SW attitude, or his bridge-burning martyrdom, or his privilege.
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker having privilege isn't a flaw, and I have not encountered his anti-sexwork views. 1/2
@kittystryker having privilege isn't a flaw, and I have not encountered his anti-sexwork views. 1/2
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM *having* privilege isn't a flaw. Refusing to challenge or acknowledge privilege *is*. That's part of accountability.
@Wendy_RM *having* privilege isn't a flaw. Refusing to challenge or acknowledge privilege *is*. That's part of accountability.
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker Yes he burns bridges &often moves too quick make the room for others to experience/resolve dissonance (impotant to activsm) p2
@kittystryker Yes he burns bridges &often moves too quick make the room for others to experience/resolve dissonance (impotant to activsm) p2
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM anyway, i'm really glad the way he speaks and treats people works for you-it doesn't for me, we're just gonna have to disagree. :)
@Wendy_RM anyway, i'm really glad the way he speaks and treats people works for you-it doesn't for me, we're just gonna have to disagree. :)
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM posting a 5 min+ long video on youtube about how I'm a big ol' meanypants for calling his privilege/tone out burned my bridge.
@Wendy_RM posting a 5 min+ long video on youtube about how I'm a big ol' meanypants for calling his privilege/tone out burned my bridge.
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM I totally understand why you feel the desire to defend him. You're not the first intelligent woman to do so. 1/2
@Wendy_RM I totally understand why you feel the desire to defend him. You're not the first intelligent woman to do so. 1/2
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM I genuinely hope that you don't get burned when he sets himself on fire in his own personal witchhunt, though. Best of luck!
@Wendy_RM I genuinely hope that you don't get burned when he sets himself on fire in his own personal witchhunt, though. Best of luck!
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker bell hooks self-references all the fking time. Is she less respectable bc of that? Shows me she's confident in her own work.
@kittystryker bell hooks self-references all the fking time. Is she less respectable bc of that? Shows me she's confident in her own work.
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM she also references lot of popular culture, all the time, AND she's a WOC who acknowledges her educational privilege!
@Wendy_RM she also references lot of popular culture, all the time, AND she's a WOC who acknowledges her educational privilege!
kittystryker
Kitty Stryker
@Wendy_RM I mean, seriously, are you comparing @maymaym to *bell hooks*?!?
@Wendy_RM I mean, seriously, are you comparing @maymaym to *bell hooks*?!?
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker @maymaym no. this is the thing you were confused about earlier. I am comparing their use of self-reference. 1/2
@kittystryker @maymaym no. this is the thing you were confused about earlier. I am comparing their use of self-reference. 1/2
Wendy_RM
Wendy R.M.
@kittystryker @maymaym &I'd kindly thank you not to assume I compare folks to on another as if they aren't complex beings. #diminishing 2/2
@kittystryker @maymaym &I'd kindly thank you not to assume I compare folks to on another as if they aren't complex beings. #diminishing 2/2
MsMaggieMayhem
Maggie Mayhem
@Wendy_RM @kittystryker What about the times when people have their writing straight-up pilfered without credit by @maymaym
@Wendy_RM @kittystryker What about the times when people have their writing straight-up pilfered without credit by @maymaym