holland_tom
Tom Holland
@MoAnsar A genuine qu - who was the 1st Muslim philosopher to condemn slavery as an institution? I know Gregory of Nyssa was the 1st Xian.
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@holland_tom You're doing the beating wife thing again, Tom. Its not the same discussion.
@holland_tom You're doing the beating wife thing again, Tom. Its not the same discussion.
holland_tom
Tom Holland
@MoAnsar No, I'm genuinely interested to know. Never thought to investigate the question before now.
@MoAnsar No, I'm genuinely interested to know. Never thought to investigate the question before now.
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@holland_tom If slaves are treated justly, with full rights, and no oppression whatsoever... why would anyone object, Tom?
@holland_tom If slaves are treated justly, with full rights, and no oppression whatsoever... why would anyone object, Tom?
holland_tom
Tom Holland
@MoAnsar As with the Romans, so with the Arabs, there WAS a sense in which becoming a slave was equiv 2 getting chance 2 earn a Green Card.
@MoAnsar As with the Romans, so with the Arabs, there WAS a sense in which becoming a slave was equiv 2 getting chance 2 earn a Green Card.
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@VijayPandya1 @holland_tom And Islam, quite rightly the concept of 'slave' as we know it in the West is anathema.
@VijayPandya1 @holland_tom And Islam, quite rightly the concept of 'slave' as we know it in the West is anathema.
downwithtyranny
Howie Klein
@MoAnsar- Mohammed, please explain how a slave could have "full rights" and still be a slave? Does that make any sense at all?
@MoAnsar- Mohammed, please explain how a slave could have "full rights" and still be a slave? Does that make any sense at all?
1Nev1
Nev
@MoAnsar You should add #caveman & #neanderthal to your twitter description #Islam C.C @billoislove @holland_tom
@MoAnsar You should add #caveman & #neanderthal to your twitter description #Islam C.C @billoislove @holland_tom
ramzinohra01
Ramzi Nohra
@MoAnsar @holland_tom ottoman slave caravans had guards to stop people JOINING - but diff story on the galleys of course..
@MoAnsar @holland_tom ottoman slave caravans had guards to stop people JOINING - but diff story on the galleys of course..
holland_tom
Tom Holland
@ramzinohra01 @MoAnsar Ha, yes - way better to be a highly placed slave in Topkapi Palace than a peasant on some burning frontier...
@ramzinohra01 @MoAnsar Ha, yes - way better to be a highly placed slave in Topkapi Palace than a peasant on some burning frontier...
ramzinohra01
Ramzi Nohra
@holland_tom @moansar yeah. A lot of high officials, generals etc were slave (of the sultan). As were peeps chained to a rowing bench...
@holland_tom @moansar yeah. A lot of high officials, generals etc were slave (of the sultan). As were peeps chained to a rowing bench...
ramzinohra01
Ramzi Nohra
@holland_tom actually, have you read a novel called "the religion" by Tim Willocks? About Siege of Malta. Covers a lot of this stuff. Good.
@holland_tom actually, have you read a novel called "the religion" by Tim Willocks? About Siege of Malta. Covers a lot of this stuff. Good.
holland_tom
Tom Holland
@ramzinohra01 No, but have heard very good thgs about it - thx for the suggestion.
@ramzinohra01 No, but have heard very good thgs about it - thx for the suggestion.
MoAnsar
Mohammed Ansar
@heerymick @holland_tom Great question. This should help: central-mosque.com/fiqh/slav1.htm
@heerymick @holland_tom Great question. This should help: central-mosque.com/fiqh/slav1.htm
holland_tom
Tom Holland
@MoAnsar Gregory of Nyssa was late 4th C - but so isolated a voice as 2 rank almost as an aberration. All the more moving for it, of course
@MoAnsar Gregory of Nyssa was late 4th C - but so isolated a voice as 2 rank almost as an aberration. All the more moving for it, of course