marcusnelson
Marcus Nelson
Stop asking “But how will they make money?” marcus.vc/JCEfjG /by @andrewchen
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@marcusnelson @andrewchen Spoken like an investor. As a user, I will very much continue to ask how a service plans to make money.
@marcusnelson @andrewchen Spoken like an investor. As a user, I will very much continue to ask how a service plans to make money.
andrewchen
Andrew Chen
@KuraFire did you read the post? Leads with bizmodels being super important. But, they are secondary to great product/growth. @marcusnelson
@KuraFire did you read the post? Leads with bizmodels being super important. But, they are secondary to great product/growth. @marcusnelson
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@andrewchen @marcusnelson I did read it, but they’re not secondary _to me as a user_. You’ve read “Don’t Be A Free User”, I take it?
@andrewchen @marcusnelson I did read it, but they’re not secondary _to me as a user_. You’ve read “Don’t Be A Free User”, I take it?
andrewchen
Andrew Chen
@KuraFire 1) the product's still gotta be great. 2) 99% of the world prefers free (or freemium), the HN/pinboard mkt is niche @marcusnelson
@KuraFire 1) the product's still gotta be great. 2) 99% of the world prefers free (or freemium), the HN/pinboard mkt is niche @marcusnelson
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@andrewchen @marcusnelson Users are also growing tired of investing in a product only to see it disappear because the founders did an exit.
@andrewchen @marcusnelson Users are also growing tired of investing in a product only to see it disappear because the founders did an exit.
tuhin
Tuhin Kumar
@KuraFire "Early adopters" and Power users" are getting tired. Not average mass market users. @andrewchen @marcusnelson
@KuraFire "Early adopters" and Power users" are getting tired. Not average mass market users. @andrewchen @marcusnelson
andrewchen
Andrew Chen
@tuhin +1. @KuraFire that's crazy talk. Mainstream users don't about that at all. cc @marcusnelson
@tuhin +1. @KuraFire that's crazy talk. Mainstream users don't about that at all. cc @marcusnelson
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@tuhin @andrewchen @marcusnelson Who do you think are the ones driving success and traffic to a service in the early stages?
@tuhin @andrewchen @marcusnelson Who do you think are the ones driving success and traffic to a service in the early stages?
andrewchen
Andrew Chen
@KuraFire in the case of zynga, pinterest, instagram, facebook, groupon, and youtube, mostly 14-30yo women. @tuhin @marcusnelson
@KuraFire in the case of zynga, pinterest, instagram, facebook, groupon, and youtube, mostly 14-30yo women. @tuhin @marcusnelson
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@andrewchen @tuhin @marcusnelson Note that all of those products were kept alive. Note also: they are the exceptions to the rule, in that.
@andrewchen @tuhin @marcusnelson Note that all of those products were kept alive. Note also: they are the exceptions to the rule, in that.
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@andrewchen @tuhin @marcusnelson If FB kills, changes or integrates Instagram, there are enough angry users for you to notice. But that …
@andrewchen @tuhin @marcusnelson If FB kills, changes or integrates Instagram, there are enough angry users for you to notice. But that …
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@andrewchen @tuhin @marcusnelson …doesn’t mean that when a smaller service or product dies in an acquisition, users aren’t unhappy about it.
@andrewchen @tuhin @marcusnelson …doesn’t mean that when a smaller service or product dies in an acquisition, users aren’t unhappy about it.
tuhin
Tuhin Kumar
@KuraFire Agree they are unhappy. But the utility of the new service and the desire to use it trumps that caution @andrewchen @marcusnelson
@KuraFire Agree they are unhappy. But the utility of the new service and the desire to use it trumps that caution @andrewchen @marcusnelson
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@tuhin @andrewchen @marcusnelson No, fuck that. Build a great product, and don’t kill it unless you’re replacing it with something better.
@tuhin @andrewchen @marcusnelson No, fuck that. Build a great product, and don’t kill it unless you’re replacing it with something better.
tuhin
Tuhin Kumar
@KuraFire I wish the world followed that idealist view. Things would be so much better. Sadly it does not. @andrewchen @marcusnelson
@KuraFire I wish the world followed that idealist view. Things would be so much better. Sadly it does not. @andrewchen @marcusnelson
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@tuhin @andrewchen @marcusnelson My point is, if you want to be an entrepreneur, be an actual entrepreneur. Learn to do _business_.
@tuhin @andrewchen @marcusnelson My point is, if you want to be an entrepreneur, be an actual entrepreneur. Learn to do _business_.
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@tuhin @andrewchen @marcusnelson Tech startups are turning into a massive VC-driven R&D machine at the expense of users in the long run.
@tuhin @andrewchen @marcusnelson Tech startups are turning into a massive VC-driven R&D machine at the expense of users in the long run.
KuraFire
Faruk Ateş
@tuhin @andrewchen @marcusnelson Some may think that that’s a worthwhile price to pay for “innovation”; I just disagree with that stance.
@tuhin @andrewchen @marcusnelson Some may think that that’s a worthwhile price to pay for “innovation”; I just disagree with that stance.
tuhin
Tuhin Kumar
@KuraFire Entrepreneur shuts not so well doing company to work on something bigger that solves the same prob. Win or loss? @andrewchen
@KuraFire Entrepreneur shuts not so well doing company to work on something bigger that solves the same prob. Win or loss? @andrewchen