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Xavier_Ho Xavier Ho
@DrPizza You can learn to code with just a text editor and a compiler. Open source mostly don't depend on visual studio. 2/2

May 24, 2012 #

DrPizza Peter Bright
@Xavier_Ho Microsoft will not offer a free, current C++ compiler suitable for building console apps to learn programming with.

May 24, 2012 #

Xavier_Ho Xavier Ho
@DrPizza VS 11 Express will come with the C++/C# compilers, Javascript tools and bindings for .NET Framework. Check your facts. 1/2

May 24, 2012 #

Xavier_Ho Xavier Ho
@DrPizza "the Express edition for Windows 8 allows developers to use C#, Visual Basic, C++ and JavaScript." blogs.msdn.com/b/visualstudio…

May 24, 2012 #

DrPizza Peter Bright
@Xavier_Ho Only for creating Metro applications. Not desktop or command-line.

May 24, 2012 #

DrPizza Peter Bright
@Xavier_Ho "To create desktop apps, you need to use Visual Studio 11 Professional, or higher." microsoft.com/visualstudio/1…

May 24, 2012 #

Xavier_Ho Xavier Ho
@DrPizza console tools are not "desktop apps". You have a good point, but I can't find anywhere that explicitly states no console programs.

May 24, 2012 #

DrPizza Peter Bright
@Xavier_Ho they are, they run "on the desktop", as contrasted with "in Metro".

May 24, 2012 #

Xavier_Ho Xavier Ho
@DrPizza Source please.

May 24, 2012 #

Xavier_Ho Xavier Ho
@DrPizza Personally, I don't see console programs taken out. Imagine developing a Metro app without a console.

May 24, 2012 #

DrPizza Peter Bright
@Xavier_Ho Metro apps don't have consoles.

May 24, 2012 #

Xavier_Ho Xavier Ho
@DrPizza How does one debug a Metro app, then?

May 24, 2012 #

DrPizza Peter Bright
@Xavier_Ho attach a debugger, write messages to a log file, that kind of thing.

May 24, 2012 #

Xavier_Ho Xavier Ho
@DrPizza And are you saying that VS 11 Express will not have a debugger with a console output?

May 24, 2012 #

DrPizza Peter Bright
@Xavier_Ho I'm saying it won't support the creation of console (i.e. command-line) applications.

May 24, 2012 #

Xavier_Ho Xavier Ho
@DrPizza It would be amazing from Microsoft to ship a compiler that does not compile the basic hello world example. Are you 100% sure on it?

May 24, 2012 #

DrPizza Peter Bright
@Xavier_Ho I agree that it would be amazing. I am just telling you what their official stance is.

May 24, 2012 #

Xavier_Ho Xavier Ho
@DrPizza And I'm probably just a crazy programmer in denial.

May 24, 2012 #

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